I think it would be interesting to interact about preaching. If you are a pastor, you could briefly discuss what you do. If you are a listener, what most benefits you regarding preaching.
Style: I am an expositional preacher. Whether I am going through a book, or handling a topic, I stick with one main text to explain and apply it. I will often use supporting texts, but I don’t turn it into a “Bible drill” with people flipping here and there trying to keep up.
Emphasis: I try to preach with a redemptive historical mindset. Meaning: I want to keep the text in its place in the history of redemption. I want to connect that text with “Christ and him crucified.” My goal is to preach the gospel, not morality, for both justificaton and sanctification. It is really hard to keep from moralism, seeing as how we all have a little religious fanatic in us that wants to earn part or all of our salvation (Luther). Listening to Tim Keller has really helped me to make those Gospel-connections better and to preach less moralistically.
Form: I am fairly flexible about my form. At times I’ll use the old 3-point sermon. At times I’ll preach more like a Puritan, or John Piper, laying out some explanations/doctrine and then some application. I try to use what works best with the text- though I’m sure I err often enough. What remains constant is that I give them the Big Idea at the beginning so they have some idea where I’m heading and think is most important.
Illustrations: I can often fall into ruts, so I have to be careful. The last few years have been frustrating because I’ve had to shy away from sports and movies because I didn’t have many people who watched lots of sports and movies. Getting married and having a child was the best thing that every happened to me as a pastor. It opened up a whole new world of personal stories to illustrate things. I use some current events- but those can lead people to think I’m taking a side on politics so I try to use discretion. I’m currently in the wrong environment for the great works of literature illustrations. Sometimes it is good just to pull a Spurgeon and use a biblical illustration. Who could argue? My personality is to try and push the envelop a bit, being a bit edgy (at least in my circles). Evidence some of my sermon titles. I’m trying not to be too provocative. Key word is trying.
Time: Early in my ministry I began to preach too long considering my gifting/experience and texts. I was “asked” to preach 20-25 minutes. This was sold under the guise of that is our typical attention span (a load a manure I say). John MacArthur claims you can’t preach any text in less than 45 minutes ( I disagree), and Mark Driscoll preaches no less than an hour. Most of those people ended up leaving for some other reason, and I was able to comfortably preach 30-35 minutes. That is usually where I am, but I’ve been known to preach about 40 minutes with some larger texts. I think you really have to weigh in gifting (some guys don’t have the gifts to preach over 20-30 minutes) and audience (lots of older or very young people have a hard time sitting too long). If you are boring (sorry) you have to talk about 10 minutes less than you think you should.
Notes: I use a one-page outline utilizing bullet points. I underline main sub-points to help me keep track of where I am. I put other Scripture references in bold, and illustrations in italics. You can see for yourself by clicking CavSermons, the notes are available. I have friends that bring very detailed manuscripts into the pulpit. And I know people who bring NOTHING up there. Sinclair Ferguson told our class of a man known for bringing in a manuscript. The choir loft was in front of the elevated pulpit so one morning a prankster took the manuscript during the prayer. The stunned pastor heard “Open your mouth and he will fill it”. Reluctantly he did. Some friends have been known to use a notecard or two. Maybe some day.
Mannerisms: I remember one church wanted to see video of candidates. They had one guy who sounded great, but had just stood there and read from a manuscript. That’s not me. My movement used to be nervousness. I move less, but more purposefully. Being Italian, I often use my hands a fair amount. I’ve been known to drag people out of their seats to help me make a point. You can do that in a small church. Plus, it gets the kids back from the Land of Nod.
Hi Cavman,
I haven’t commented in awhile. I found this post via the Tag Surfer function in WordPress.
Great points to preach by. It looks like an outline you could preach from. My interest focused on the Time paragraph. I would agree with MacArthur and the 45 minute rule. I don’t know how you can thoroughly cover the text expositionally in under that. I think the rule for sermon length at Omaha Bible Church is 50 minutes. I think Driscoll loves to use long analogys and descriptions like “Jesus wasn’t this limp-wristed, wimpy, hippy looking dude with feathered hair and beard stubble.” This may be the reason his sermons are over an hour.
Illustrations? Well, family life is always a safe bet. Most people can relate to anything in that area. I pray that God will bless you with many more illustrations. We have have raised six of them.
God bless.
I’m going to participate in this little exercise soon when I have the time. Right now I’m just here to celebrate our win last night in the battle for the Best Sox. I’m not expecting to have another chance to celebrate, so I have to get it in now. After you lay down for us a couple more times, then get back up and punish those Yankees. No worries, you’ve got what…13 or so more games against the Devil Rays?
I think we have 15 more games against the Rays. I hope to catch one or 2 in person.
We had a better record than this last season and went into the dumper so….. more proof it is a long season and a few injuries to key guys can derail a season. If we keep playing like last night…. beat the Black Sox 10-3.
You know Cavman,
I’m glad you posted this post regarding preaching.
Secondly I am glad to see you posted this in the neighborhood of our discussing Joel Osteen.
In an earlier post, I commented on how Joel Osteen preaches. Many evangelicals preach moralistically trying to get you to think you need to be like Jesus. Joel, on the other hand doesn’t even do that. He wants you to be like Joel himself.
I have watched Joel and his broadcast in its entirety. How about that huge screen they use? Man, you couldn’t even get that screen into many churches!! Impressive technology.
One time I watched the entire broadcast and when Joel concluded his homily or monolog [sorry, I can’t even call it a sermon], the broadcast cut to a taped invitation from Joel for viewers to ask Jesus to come into their hearts. Suddenly I was struck with the thought, “what would I need Jesus for? You never even mentioned him, Joel.”
There it was plain as day for all of us to see for ourselves, Joel asking us to have Jesus save us, and he had given us no evidence, no reasoning for why we need Jesus at all. Lots in that monolog about God blessing you if you will _____ – fill in the blank. But nothing of Jesus.
Ask Jesus to save me? When I lsten to you, Joel, all I hear is how Jesus wants me to have an abundant life, to have my dreams come true. Jesus wants to bless me physically, emotionally, financially. I need to believe in faith and not limit God, not thinking negative thoughts, but just the positive thoughts. [boring actually; that is the strange irony].
However, Joel, Jesus never tells me I am a dirty person. Never tells me I am driven by self; am self-deluded, self-centered. Joel never has Jesus telling me I am damned without Jesus. Jesus never speaks to me telling me my good works are still polluted, my worship is inadequate, my religious attempts are futile, and only serve to reveal more inadequacy in me. For Joel, the problem I have is I just need to try harder, to stop limiting God. Jesus says my problem is I don’t really love my wife, and kids as I should, I don’t love God like I should and I am offended when Jesus says I am so bad, the only way I could be saved is Christ crucified. Oh, I forgot, for Joel, Jesus is always on his throne dispensing me whatever I need to make me healthy, wealthy, and successful, but I have yet to hear Joel preach Christ on a cross, bleeding, getting beaten, bearing the curse, the wrath of a Holy God.
How should we preach?
Preach Christ crucified, suffering servant, dying man for dead men, and yes, also risen, ascended and praying for us at the Father’s right hand.
Thanks Cavman, and I still think I was the best shooting 6’9″ man to ever play this game.
Style: Also expository, straight through books.
Emphases: Also connecting everything to the gospel ala Keller, but instead of a “redemptive historical” approach I would say I am more “redemptive canonical”, meaning the canon is the context. And Law/Gospel are more theological categories in a Lutheran sense than eras of redemptive history.
Form: The goal is that the sermon outline matches the text outline, so no hard fast rules on two or three point sermons.
Illustrations: I’m not so good at these. I agree that having a family really helps.
Time: I used to average 35-40, now about 25-30.
Notes: I take a full manuscript in the pulpit with me. I used to take only notecards, but I found this took longer to prepare because I wrote it all in my head anyway, and then I had to do a condensation and practice delivering it. One week about 10 years ago I was in a hurry so I just composed from my head straight into a Word document and took it into the pulpit. I was afraid I would sound wooden like I was reading (because I was). No one noticed the difference. So I guess I can read without losing anything in my delivery. so I stuck with this practice because it was quicker and I had a file to use later.
Mannerisms: I used to speak way too fast. I think it’s better now. I recently have been struggling to try to make my “this then that” hand gestures go from their left to right instead of mine.
Hey Cavman,
I could come off the bench and drain a few jumpers myself, in my day.
Hey, found the sermon we discussed yesterday.
Haven’t found the audio, but here is the text if you are interested.
You gotta crack up with RS you know? He thinks he is so deep, so meaningful.
Here it is
http://www.hourofpower.org/booklets/bookletdetail.cfm?ArticleID=5470