Actually, we’ll be considering the CT Article on Mark Driscoll. I read my copy a few weeks ago, and have meant to get to this. But… I’ve been busy. The author, Collin Hansen, tries to paint a picture of Driscoll that is honest, balancing his strengths and the criticisms laid against him. I found the balance a bit off. It seemed more negative than positive- typified by the reference to Driscoll’s appearance at the 2006 Desiring God Conference, placed under the heading Throwing Rocks: “John Piper says no other speaker at his Desiring God conference has caused such a stir.” This, in my opinion, sets Mark in an unnecessarily negative light. His message there was powerful and truthful. I suspect Piper will have him back again- because John Piper loves the truth and Mark Driscoll does too. Piper often speaks at Acts 29 and Resurgence conferences. But this statement can be read to imply that Piper regrets inviting Driscoll.
All of us have blind spots. Unfortunately for Mark, the whole evangelical world seems to know some of his need for growth. Mark recognizes many of these sins and weaknesses in his character. A pastor receives few commendations greater than this: “He asks forgiveness more than any pastor I have ever seen,” she said. “He publicly confesses sin. He’s such a great example to young, idealistic, confident, inexperienced, immature pastors that you have to say you’re wrong when you’re wrong. And he does it to women. I know. He has apologized in times when he has gotten things wrong, and I’m thankful he doesn’t apologize for the things he hasn’t said wrong.”
Not all pastors know their blind spots. Not all of them are honest about their sin and failings. Yet this very thing is what is used against Driscoll by many. Hmmm, didn’t Jesus come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the most prominent (1 Timothy 1:15)? If Mark was not repentant, that would be a different story. But that does not seem to be the story. Unfortunately some people confuse relevance (partaking of indifferent matters) with sin.
What about the lifestyle he models is so vile? What filthy fads are at issue here? This is what troubles me about John MacArthur- an extra-biblical legalism. I think he’s holding another man to a standard not found in Scripture (the Bible has vulgar language in it; drinking alcohol is not a sin, drunkenness is; ultimate fighting is a form of competition that isn’t for everyone but doesn’t necessarily violate any commands of Scripture). This is an easy way to write him off. As an elder brother, MacArthur has made no attempt to reach out to him. John Piper, Tim Keller and others have. MacArthur threw rocks, and Mark Driscoll handled it in a mature fashion, with typical color.
Overall, a good article to see where Mark Driscoll has come from, what God has used him to do, what he hopes God will use him to do and how he seems to tick off both atheists and old guard Christians. I didn’t want Hansen to cover his warts (or revel in them), but I guess it would have been great to see he has brothers who affirm his ministry. Instead, he comes across as a man alone (apart from his flock and Acts 29 cohorts). It’s a shame people like MacArthur and the SBC can’t say “I don’t always agree with him, and sometimes I cringe, but I’m glad he’s on our side and God is pleased to use him to reach people I have a hard time reaching.”
Hello Cavman,
You posted:
“John Piper says no other speaker at his Desiring God conference has caused such a stir.” This, in my opinion, sets Mark in an unnecessarily negative light.
a. Elijah was called a trouble maker
b. Was said to have caused a riot
c. Jesus was said to be attempting to be revolutionary
d. I’m not saying Driscoll is right, because I did not hear / read the sermon.
e. But I am surprised by Piper’s reasoning and not seeing it really doesn’t hold water.
f. Piper has certainly caused a stir at times, been called an extremist, but that does not mean he is necessarily.
Question for you Cavman, are factions in the church being sadly modeled in this instance by the big boys like Piper and Mac?
Have you read one of Keller’s quotes surfaced as of late…
“Most churches make the mistake of selecting as leaders the confident, the competent, and the successful. But what you most need in a leader is someone who has been broken by the knowledge of his or her sin, and even greater knowledge of Jesus’ costly grace. The number one leaders in every church ought to be the people who repent the most fully without excuses, because you don’t need any now; the most easily without bitterness; the most publicly and the most joyfully. They know their standing isn’t based on their performance.”
I don’t think Piper is creating a faction. He has been supportive of Driscoll. He was just stating that he got lots of heat from people for inviting Driscoll. He said that while introducing Mark at the conference. But the blip in the article takes it out of context.
There are times when we need to defend truth, and that will create factions. We just have to make sure it is a core truth. Rob Bell thinks more truths are negotiable than I do. Some people act like everything is a hill to die on (premillenialism, dispensationalism, credo baptism, paedocommunion, speaking in tongues, and the list could go on for quite some time). Those are certainly things warrenting discussion/dialogue, but aren’t at the core of Christianity.
John MacArthur seems to have been more than willing to throw down the gauntlet over some of these issues. Piper is currently throwing it down over justification (the subject of his latest book), and I’m glad he did. MacArthur also makes a big deal over “indifferent” things, lumping them in the sin catagory. He, of course, is not alone in that- but this is an example of such courses of action.
Bumble- hadn’t seen that quote yet, but it is a good one.
Glad to read your response that you feel the context of Piper’s quote was not adequately provided.
Yet you do feel Mac is being unnecessarily critical of Driscoll, correct?
Thanks Cav.
Yes, I think JM was unnecessarily critical. But… perhaps the author also portrayed his comments unfairly or inaccurately. Unfortunately, JM tends to be overly critical and point to extremes as if they were the standard beliefs/actions of those in a particular movement.
On to the more significant issues of your life, Cav!
How did you perform yesterday in your Fantasy League?
Does anyone in your league have Jeff Garcia?
Not throwing INTs, and keeping drives allive…
Ok, your Pats. How many they putting on the Bengals tonight, who gave up 51 to the Browns a couple of weeks ago!
I lost for the first time…. I made the mistake of playing the STeelers’ kicker, who for the first time didn’t hit a bunch of FGs. Some of my other guys had sub-par weeks.
Still have the lead on pts in the league.
This Driscoll stir is certainly interesting…but unfortunate in someways.
I love driscoll’s preaching. i appreciate his respect for the word of God and the truth he brings to it.