
Here is the first part of my internet dialogue with Dr. Keith Mathison about his book Postmillennialism: An Eschatatology of Hope. Keith and I worked together at the RTS Orlando Bookstore, and then at Ligonier Ministries. After graduating from RTS, he received his Ph.D. from Whitefield Seminary. He is the author of numerous books, including Dispensationalism: Rightly Dividing the People of God? which he wrote while in seminary. I did such a great job proofing the book that I haven’t worked on one since.
KM: Thanks for reviewing the book. I saw it yesterday. You didn’t say anything about the most persuasive part of the book – the yellow cover. What’s up with that?!?
Cavman: It is a fine cover. Kudos to the art department. I only bought the book for the cover. Okay …. At times the amillennialism you describe doesn’t seem to be the amillenialism I hold to. Part of that may be because you were interchangeable arguing against both forms of premillennialism and amillennialism. I put your book down thinking our differences are more about a matter of degree: how much the gospel will prosper as it covers the earth and converts the nations. What would you say is the main distinction between these sibling eschatologies?
KM: I think you are correct to observe that at least some of the differences are a matter of degree. I see the various expositions of amillennialism and postmillennialism lying along a spectrum. There are extremely spiritualized and pessimistic forms of amillennialism that would be at one end and very this-worldly, perhaps naively optimistic forms of postmillennialism at the other end. Closer to the middle would be more balanced (i.e. biblical) forms of amillennialism and postmillennialism. I think, for example, that Cornelis Venema’s expression of amillennialism is closer to some forms of postmillennialism than the amillennialism of someone like David Engelsma. And my expression of postmillennialism is closer to some forms of amillennialism than the postmillennialism of someone like Loraine Boettner. I think things get a bit fuzzier the closer you get to the middle of the spectrum.
Unlike some older postmillennialists, who believed that the millennium would be the last 1000 or so years of the present age, I believe the millennium represents the entire present age between the first and second coming of Jesus. So there’s no disagreement there. Both amillennialists and postmillennialists say they believe that Christ’s kingdom is growing during this present age. I think the main difference between the views boils down to how confident we are that the growth of Christ’s kingdom will manifest itself in some visible, tangible ways during this age and what it might look like. In short, is this kingdom growth more or less behind the scenes? I’m slightly more optimistic than most amillennialists I’ve read that the growth of Christ’s kingdom will have visible manifestations. Unlike some theonomic postmillennialists, however, I am less confident about saying exactly what they might look like.
I also believe that the growth/advance of Christ’s kingdom will involve a bloody, difficult battle for the people of God. Going back to the old D-Day/V-Day analogy, the decisive battle has been won, but the progress will not be easy. It will involve awful, street to street fighting all the way to the final day. But the victory is assured.
Cavman: As I read the book, a few things came to mind for me. On a continuum (Pratt would be proud) I see premillennialism and postmillennial as the 2 extremes. One pessimistic and under-realized, and the other overly optimistic and over-realized. The dispensational premillennial position was born in persecution and pessimism, and puts some of the “already” into the “not yet”. The posmillennial position, I think, sticks too much of the “not yet” into the already. Obviously I’m biased toward amillennialism as having the best balance. I have a point here, really. “Visible manifestations” is a phrase that you used. I think I see such things now. Please, spell out what you mean a little bit. What “visible manifestations” do you have in mind?
KM: I see postmillennialism and amillennialism existing on a continuum because they share similar features. Premillennialism seems to me to be in a separate category altogether. Regarding “visible manifestations,” like I said, I’m hesitant to offer specifics. When Scripture speaks of the growth of the kingdom it tends to use figurative language. What specifically in the real world corresponds to the permeation of a lump of dough by leaven? Or to the growth of a mustard seed? The first type of growth is not particularly visible. The second is. In short, it isn’t as simple or as cut-and-dried as some would say. We can’t, for example, measure the growth of the kingdom of Christ by watching the fortunes of our favorite political party or our own nation. The kingdom of Christ is bigger than that.
What I object to is the idea that the growth of Christ’s kingdom is entirely invisible and confined to the spiritual dimension of existence and will have no visible manifestations in history. That idea implies that there was nothing noticeably different about the world after the Fall. Satan’s kingdom, however, has had clearly visible manifestations in the world throughout history beginning with the Fall. Why would the redemptive kingdom of Christ not have any visible manifestations? It involves the same world that was cursed as a result of our sin. Sin did not affect merely the spiritual realm. It affected the visible and physical as well. Redemption also affects both. What might it look like? I think we have a fairly good idea of what the visible manifestations of Satan’s kingdom look like. I expect that the growth of Christ’s kingdom will look a lot like the opposite of that.
more to come….
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