Overture 11 to allow objections to SJC decisions at General Assembly. This is an attempt to turn back time. It is the Omega 13 device of the PCA.
Sort of. Not actually.
There are decisions that are controversial. There was one recently that burned up the internet. In general, there should be voice for the minority. But there are big differences when it comes to judicial cases.
Judicial cases are not about policy. They may involve the proper implementation of policy, but at the heart they are about guilt or innocence.
Judicial cases include a great deal of testimony beyond the summaries we would get in our GA handbooks. This is not Law & Order where we see just the highlights of a case. The vast majority of commissioners don’t have the knowledge of the case necessary to make a good decision.
This is why complaints and protests are limited to those who have the necessary information and standing. Testimony, not hearsay.
This overture wants to “better balance concerns regarding the liberty of conscience and the rights of private judgment with the practical wisdom of committing” these cases to the SJC.
I am not sure how the lack of complaint or protest strips anyone of their liberty of conscience or the right of private judgment. While you “abide” by the ruling, you likely aren’t affected by it. By that I mean that you are not forced to do something contrary to your conscience. That is the heart of the matter for me. God knows what you think about it and why. You still have your private judgment even if you can’t officially voice it beyond discussions and social media.
I have to accept that my private judgment may actually be wrong because I’m ill-informed, misinformed or perhaps am bowing to a special interest that I shouldn’t. Take the recent ruling. I know many who were upset with it. I don’t know how much they actually knew about the case. I know I know very little about the facts of the case. For me to comment wouldn’t be wise.
I think this overture does not accomplish its desired goal. It merely helps people feel better about things. It doesn’t actually do much. It seems to simply be a mind game. If you file a complaint against the SJC, there is no higher court that can disagree with them. Do you seriously think you can provide information that will change their mind?
Interests: the voice of the minority, the desire to rectify real or perceived wrongs, the need to make informed decisions lest we violate the 9th commandment
Cavman votes “No” despite understanding the frustration when cases aren’t resolved the way we think they should be.
Overture 12 to petition the government to end sex-change procedures for minors. I certainly hope we are all on the same page that the voluntary genital mutilation of minors is reprehensible and immoral. I do expect there will be disagreement on whether to petition the civil magistrate on this matter.
Sadly, there are some people in our country who deny these surgeries take place. They call this a conspiracy theory. They ignore the more than sufficient evidence that this takes place.
The justification for this overture covers plenty of ground. It looks at the Scriptural reality of sex/gender. It mentions the biological, scientific realities. It hits the fact that gender dysphoria occurs but it a bad reason to perform these irreversible surgeries. It touches on the unfathomable increases in dysphoria, particularly among girls, driven by the educational system’s corrupt values including critical theory as well as the media pushing this on impressionable minds. We rightly want to protect the parents’ right to raise their children instead of entering the Brave New World where it takes a government to raise a child. I agree that these procedures violate the Hippocratic Oath, just like abortion on demand does.
Aren’t the people pushing for these surgeries the same ones speaking out against male and female circumcision? It is hard to keep the cast of characters straight at times. It’s like reading a Russian novel where each character has multiple names and nicknames.
As a Church we don’t need to address everything in culture and society we find objectionable by a petition to the government. But, as they note from WCF 31.4, we can make “humble petition in cases extraordinary; or, by way of advice, for the satisfaction of conscience”. We should speak prophetically, and not just from our pulpits in cases like this. I think this qualifies as an extraordinary case. Particularly when we consider the consequences to individuals, families and society.
Since we are to stand up for the most vulnerable among us, we should speak to this just as we should speak to abortion. We should be willing to pay the social cost for angering the mob. We should not put such a decision in the hands of children who lack the wisdom, objectivity and experience to make such a life-changing choice.
Overall, I like the actual petition. I wish it specified voluntary procedures. Intersex individuals may require surgeries to correct medical issues, not psychological ones. Perhaps Overtures can add it to read “renounce the sin of all voluntary medical and surgical sex change procedures in minors”.
The petition would be sent to key offices in the federal government by the Stated Clerk’s office, and presbyteries would send it to key offices in their state’s government.
Interests: concern for the health and safety of children, recognition of the consequences of these procedures, being salt and light in this corrupt and dark world.
Cavman votes “yes”.
Overture 13 seeks to allow all persons to testify in cases of process. We currently don’t permit those who “do not believe in the existence of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments”. The DASA recommended that we permit medical professionals and other qualified witnesses who don’t believe in God to testify, particularly in cases of abuse.
Yes, all are made in the image of God. Yes, there is common grace that should render them qualified to testify as witnesses. It notes that both the ARP and OPC already permit competent persons to testify. It is up to the court to “judge the relative weight and credibility of all evidence”.
But you have to pay attention to the proposed changes because first they give the existing words, then the 49th GA proposal and then the 50th GA proposal. [There is a typo on pp. 3 line 5. It should be 35-6, not 35-67.]
Interests: justice and fairness in cases of process by not eliminating otherwise qualified candidates vs limiting witnesses to those who are theists and believe in a future judgment
Cavman says “yes”.
Overture 14 is also about the use of professional counsel in cases of progress. You can see my thoughts in Part 1 on Overture 10. I will vote “yes” on the combined version unless something very odd happens.
Overture 15 seeks to prohibit women from teaching, exhorting others in worship. This overture was submitted to and rejected by Rio Grande Presbytery, so the session of Bryce Avenue Presbyterian Church submitted it to GA.
This is in response to some occasions when women have “exhorted or taught” in the public worship service.
Before I respond, in my former congregation we had a woman who led our woman’s study. At some point she read Susan Somner’s book Men and Women in the Church which I reviewed in 2005. Let’s just say it was not a positive review. She and her husband left our congregation for a nearby PC(USA) church (now ECO). At times, she has “taught” in the public worship service. She refused to use the pulpit lest people misunderstand. It seemed to me to be a distinction without substance. It seemed to skirt the rules, even though she didn’t actually have to. Yes, confusing.
To paraphrase Shakespeare, a sermon by any other name is still a sermon and as authoritative. In the public worship service of the church. I want to make that qualification for reasons I will reveal soon.
I want to focus on the phrase “exposition and application of the Scriptures”. Women should not be doing that in congregational worship. This is the “authoritative teaching and ruling of the church for the building up of the whole body” as they quote from the Ad Interim Study Report.
Bryce Avenue wants to clarify how unordained men and women may serve in the worship service by saying what women can’t do. They propose this addition to BCO 53.
7. No woman shall preach, exhort, or teach at a public worship assembly, including assemblies or chapel services where men are present in any congregation, educational institution, or gathering overseen by the Church or one of its agencies.
This goes farther than I would want to go, or at least how I understand the overture. The key for me is “authoritative”. I don’t want to play a game of semantics. If you are expounding Scripture it doesn’t matter what you call it.
If a woman exhorts us by quoting a text during a time of testimony or missions minute, I’m not considering that authoritative. Disagreement with that exhortation is not a censurable offense. Neither, generally is Sunday School.
Their main criteria is the presence of men. Gatherings is vague. This would prohibit a woman speaker at a RUF conference. While it doesn’t have the jurisdiction to do anything, it would imply that Ligonier Ministries has been wrong to include speakers like Elisabeth Eliott and Joni Eareckson Tada. I don’t agree with that implication. They are not speaking with the authority of a church court in those contexts. It is not congregational worship overseen by the elders of the church.
Cavman says “no”.
Overture 16 returns to self-identification by church officers. This overture, in its justification, expresses concern that if the amendment to BCO 7 fails (it did) then some might think we are in favor of the ordination of (practicing?) homosexuals. I’m not sure this is warranted and I’m not worried about it. Whenever we do look at these things we are assumed to be homophobes. We can’t worry what lies people spread about us.
This is troubling for me though:
Whereas, 1 Cor. 6:9-11 not only forbids identification with many specific sins (including homosexuality) but it adds that whatever sinful inclinations one previously had before justification, now there have been sanctifying changes that establish one’s present identity in the Lord Jesus, by the Spirit of God;
This passage is not about “identification”. It is about people who practice these sins. Yes, to desire that which is does not conform to the law of God is sin. We practice church discipline for words and actions, not inclinations. We are to prohibit or remove office on the basis of words and actions. We are concerned, or I am, with practice. I think Paul has that in view since he uses two words to indite both the active and passive homosexual offender, not inclinations. This passage isn’t about temptations, but practice. If repentance they have been justified and washed, not perfected such that they don’t experience temptations arising from indwelling sin.
Here is what they propose (which does focus on self-identifying words):
BCO 7-4. Men who describe themselves by any biblical sin (such as listed in 1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”) are disqualified from holding office in the Presbyterian Church in America. Instead, they describe themselves by 1 Cor. 6:11, “And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”
This repeats the same problem as they others. “Describe themselves”is tricky. To whom? How often? Why? If the person actually sees themselves as a gay Christian that is different from speaking to homosexuals and saying “I’m gay” since they don’t use the terminology that we in the Church use.
Is this a persistent temptation that drives actions short of sin (inappropriate friendships) or transgressions (looking at porn)? They should not hold office. But the one with the maturity to put those temptations to death, and not follow them, is a different story.
I, like many on both sides of this issue, am weary of it. We can’t seem to find the right terminology. I’m not certain we need to. Scripture and the Standards tell us what is sinful. Those caught in sin should not be officers. Candidates are to be examined, including on Christian experience. They may have had patterns of sin before conversion which continued for a time but have been addressed in sanctification. For me the issue is whether they have they been addressed, and how the person views them. If they regularly speak of themselves according to their sexual, or other, temptations then they still need to grow. I can’t escape the feeling of shibboleths. We are focused on the “right words” rather than concepts (for instance, in ordination exams I’ve found that men from different seminaries can use slightly different terminology at times, especially the Gordon-Conwell guys).
Proceed to the next overture
Overture 17 addresses the same issue and chapter in the BCO. This was presented by the Meadowview Reformed Presbyterian Church session, but not approved by the Piedmont Triad Presbytery in a very close vote. I have no issue with the numerous “whereas” paragraphs. Their proposed addition to BCO 7 is:
7-4. Men who refer to a particular sin struggle as descriptive of their personhood, being, or identity are disqualified from holding office in the PCA.
This is more straightforward than its predecessor. It is succinct. It has that going for it.
It will be interesting to see what Overtures does with 16 and 17. This will be something of a meat grinder. I’ve laid out my general concerns. I lean toward approving 17 but suspect that this won’t be the final form.
Interests: officers being mature and godly men vs. being overly focused on what a man may say to an audience of non-Christians; we do want men to clearly articulate what they think and how they view themselves in committee and we want them to be able to make proper distinctions.
I won’t know until I see the final version but lean, as I said, toward approving O-17.
Overture 18 concerns biblical reconciliation and the rejection of critical theories and the social justice movement. It is presented by a number of sessions in Metro Atlanta but was rejected by the Presbytery. It seeks to apply the truth and recommendations of the report on Racial and Ethnic Reconciliation presented at the 44th GA.
I agree that we should pursue reconciliation through the gospel as we seek to love our neighbors of all ethnic backgrounds. This overture quotes extensively from the report regarding a historical-redemptive view: creation, fall, redemption. Their concern is that “a secular ideology involving race and racism is being advocated in public schools and corporations and is becoming commonplace in many churches today”. Many of our members do encounter Critical Race Theory in school and the workplace. Yes, some of our elders advocate simply “spitting out the bones”. I’m not sure there is any meat there beyond the notion that sinful people create sinful structures (which we can find readily in Scripture). But those sinful people aren’t identified by skin color unless you want to have the same problem with a new victim. The goal is to be reconciliation, not exalting the victims over the oppressors in a form of identity politics. I share the concerns they list here.
This advocates a rejection of those worldly philosophies as disturbing the peace, purity, and unity of the church. Meanwhile it affirms and advocates a continuing commitment to “the gospel task of racial reconciliation and the furtherance of the gospel.” And I might add, reconciliation through the gospel. It is the blood of Christ alone that covers the sins of racism and oppression. It is the blood of Christ alone that enables people to forgive others of the wrongs done to them.
A friend pondered whether this should be a request for a study committee. I’d support that though I don’t think it necessary. That may have more weight, however, with those who still find a place for CT and its strands of thought in our Church.
Interests: racial reconciliation, biblical vs. social justice, rejection of lies pertaining to race, class, gender etc.
Cavman says “yes”.
Overture 19 pertains to questions of Presbytery Jurisdiction and Committee/Agency Employment. They would like to request an Administrative Committee to address the following questions:
- When a Permanent Committee or Agency of the PCA receives an allegation (such as an abuse allegation) against a Teaching Elder serving with or employed by a Permanent Committee or Agency, must it notify the TE’s Presbytery of the allegation?
- If a Presbytery receives notice from a Permanent Committee or an Agency that it has received an allegation against a Teaching Elder, is the Presbytery required to open a [BCO] 31-2 investigation?
- Is a Permanent Committee or Agency of the PCA, when it has received an allegation against a TE in its service or employ, permitted to conduct and conclude an investigation without informing the TE’s Presbytery?
- Is a Permanent Committee or Agency of the PCA permitted to terminate the service or employment of a TE without notifying the TE’s Presbytery of the reasons for termination?
I am not sure why we need a committee to take time and money. The answers seem obvious to me: yes, yes, no, yes.
Since these are TEs serving the denominational level they are under the jurisdiction of the Presbytery. In some senses their employment is separate. If an accusation is lodged that would trigger an investigation, the Presbytery should be notified and should act. They may join with the Committee/Agency to share information so all are on the same page. If the sin is serious enough to warrant termination of employment it should be a matter of censure (of some sort) by the Presbytery.
Not all grounds of termination are due to sin and needing censure. Termination of employment is not itself a reason to notify the Presbytery. It could be bad fit, some weakness regarding the skills necessary, layoffs etc. That is not a reason to inform the Presbytery.
Interests: qualifications for office, the need for church discipline, confidentiality regarding work situations apart from moral failure.
Cavman shakes his head. I’m guessing TVP is frustrated because they haven’t been notified of sins meriting censure in the past. This doesn’t seem like the best remedy. Can’t we just instruct the Committees and boards to do so?
Overture 20 requests a similar committee to research the use of electronic records for denominational purposes. It recognizes that we are in a digital age but some of our processes are not. Some things, like the Clerk of Session Handbook need to be updated to reflect this.
We should direct it to happen. This shouldn’t require an Administrative Committee. Hopefully this will be adjusted in overtures.
Interests: need for record keeping, need for keeping processes current, having our documents matching reality.